David Heinemeier Hansson has achieved something seemingly rare in tech – a stable, highly profitable tech software company with a huge customer footprint and no VC or PE money. He and his co-founder, Jason Fried escaped corporate careers with a view that taking money from investors would be bad for building a profitable, sustainable business. Three times in the past 20 years, they’ve been proven right. With just 80 people on the team they produce the same revenues as companies with hundreds even thousands of employees. 

An uncompromising and pragmatic conversation that will challenge the status quo with the question, “What if growth is not the goal?”